...but I don't like the idea of Australia not having a defined culture because we are too much of a "mixed bag".
most certainly!
Look at America - the #1 example of how 'multiculturism' destroys culture. So many people there have about 2 or 3 different nationalities to themselves and they really don't resemble their Anglo-Irish anymore.
A friend of mine is pretty deep into Racial Theory -that each and every race is more like a species and each species have their own genetic advantages and disadvantages. Due to some genes being recessive, 'interbreeding' can cause valuable advantages to a race to fade away, leaving a useless lump of human- and many of his points to do with racial theory and the impact multiculturism has on it are pretty damning.
These left wing hippies (many of whom seem to be university students - what the hell do the student unions push onto the students?!) that are all for a peaceful, multiculturist socialist society really don't have a fucking clue. They believe in some utopia where there are no classes and only one race - human beings. They need to get a grip on reality. It's just not possible.
As a university student, I study History, Biological Anthropology (especially from a race theory/genetics standpoint) and linguistics. What sort of sources and empirical research is your friend using to formulate these ideas?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of what is being said here, especially about over political correctness, and I especially get the shits when people do come here and bitch about how there being descriminated against, when, if I were to visit there country, I could be arrested, shot, raped etc for not covering my head (just for example).
I don't mind multiculturalism, but love your adopted country, or quit your whinging and go home as far as I'm concerned.
I just cant agree with the idea of biological superiority and recessive genes dammning the human race to hell. I beleive there are significant factors that make people culturally incompatible, but the there is little biological basis for any of it. The idea that Europeans, as whites, are a biologically homogenous entity has no basis in any sort of science, and there is more biologcal diveristy among white europeans than most other 'races'. Even those of us of Anglo Irish descent (yes, I am, First Fleet thankyou), are of mixed race. it's just that the race mixing occured between 1500 and a thousand years ago and we don't see any surface evidence of it.
I think australia does have a unique and special culture, and I think it is important to maintain it, but Culture is not biological.
There. Soapbox moment done.
btw, I don't know where my uni degree is going to take me, possibly nowhere, but I do a lot of research and formulate my own ideas based on what I study. I pay my own fees and I work two jobs rather than get austudy so don't even think about going down that path.
I couldn't agree with you more about hippie student activists, most of them just want a bandwagon to jump on, and generally make life a pain in the ass. Many of them are naive and foolish, but University (well a god one) teaches you to evaluate things and come to your own conclusions, not to turn into leftie hippies.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:20 pm
Décadent wrote:
DeathFiend wrote:
If everyone on the planet were atheists there would be no problems. Well there'd still be the white/black thing but religion is the main causeof wars. That and the bush family, stupid texan inbred fuckers.. (no offence to anyone from texas)
Mankind doesn't need God to find an excuse to kill one another.
True, however the current problems in the world are religion based. The US is oppressing Arab peoples of a Muslim faith or some shit and they are fighting back due to their beliefs. Their god makes it their right to blow up Australians in night clubs and fly planes into buildings. Its always about religion, race based hatred comes second. Of course as far as the US is concerned (well bush and his loyal bitches) its money and power. But i wouldn’t be surprised that Bush being a born again Christian would hold some hatred against the Muslim faith.
Now the Australian Government is raiding Muslim peoples homes and Muslims around the country a protesting that their peoples are being singled out. It creates civil unrest and cause's violence amongst the different creeds. They should never have went public with the raids.
My point is that religion is the main cause for problems, not the only cause but a huge fucken chunk of it. Its the reason why humans will never view each other on an equal terms. As long as ones god is better then the others even though its the same fucken god.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:55 pm
Metal_Bird wrote:
As a university student, I study History, Biological Anthropology (especially from a race theory/genetics standpoint) and linguistics. What sort of sources and empirical research is your friend using to formulate these ideas?
He's a Biology and Chemistry student. What kinds, don't know, don't care.
Modern racialism comes straight from the groundwork of genetics that Mendel laid down in the 1800s.
Culture has everything to do with blood. An Asian 'Australian citizen' will never be as Australian as I am, because I carry the Australian blood that Australia's very folk lores are built upon (English and Irish. My family name is an Irish one). It is my obligatory duty as a full blooded Australian to uphold the Australian culture, and Australian integrity. This a mere foreign 'Australian' citizen is uncapable of as they don't posses the Australian spirit. Their homage stays with their blood.
My girlfriend is a full blooded Serb (well, her mother was a bit Hungarian) and is every bit as patriotic and follows the same ideals of extreme right wing politics and racialism as I. I can tell she too feels the enjoyment of visiting a war memorial (as we like to do. I feel obligated to pay my respects when I was an Australian/ANZAC war monument), but I know for a fact that the same fire I have is not burning in her heart. She still thinks very highly of Tito.
A foreigner will always have their foreign respects first. It's lucky for the two of us that our principle ideals of National Socialism are not bound by international borders, but is a global ideal soley for the pan-Aryan race.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:00 pm
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Now the Australian Government is raiding Muslim peoples homes and Muslims around the country a protesting that their peoples are being singled out. It creates civil unrest and cause's violence amongst the different creeds. They should never have went public with the raids.
Why not?!
These pigs need to be stopped in their tracks. Either put before a firing squad or sent back.
I think it's a joke how they're muslim dogs are crying out now "oh now only muslim arabs will be targeted." Too fucking right!! I don't think a white european-Australian is going to commit holy war against the western world!!
The only good thing the muslims are doing is destroying zion. Send them all back to Palestine and leave them there I say.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:18 pm
Well I wouldn't necessarily go that far, I think there are some fantastic things that the Muslim religion brings out in their people - as do many religions if they are treated in the correct manner.
e.g. Ramadan - a month of fasting to allow people of that faith to consider what impoverished people experience all year and to donate to those less fortunate.
Now regardless of your beliefs, there is nothing wrong with that - it's a lesson in humility and is intended to only bring good to society.
However, "targeting muslims" is justified in that the government are targeting "muslim extremists", not all muslims. Rightly so as well - like danthaal said, they are the problem. It's not a wing of prodestants bitter about Jewish people having killed their saviour 2000 years ago, its not a facist group of buddhists unleashing holy war on western culture. The problems we are currently facing are SOLELY extremist muslims who have somehow justified killing innocent people in lands they call home.
I don't see why, if they don't like our "infidel" behaviour, they can't just fuck off and live elsewhere, in whatever manner they please.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:54 pm
Aye. Something really has to be done. I'm a firm believer of the Iron Fist, something I believe needs to be put into place. I think these Allah screaming dune-coons would have their tails between their legs if they were arrested and deported with an armed escort. It's all good and well to tightern laws against terrorism (not like it was ever legal to be begin with...), but I believe a message has to go out that Australia is not going to take their stupid bullshit. A reason I'm glad that the recent terror raids got world wide coverage.
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:23 am
DeathFiend wrote:
Décadent wrote:
DeathFiend wrote:
If everyone on the planet were atheists there would be no problems. Well there'd still be the white/black thing but religion is the main causeof wars. That and the bush family, stupid texan inbred fuckers.. (no offence to anyone from texas)
Mankind doesn't need God to find an excuse to kill one another.
My point is that religion is the main cause for problems, not the only cause but a huge fucken chunk of it. Its the reason why humans will never view each other on an equal terms. As long as ones god is better then the others even though its the same fucken god.
I would say religion is responsible for only a handful of problems not the main cause. It isn't responsible for murders, rapes, and the general decline in standards in our society. All religions whether it be Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever are openly against such acts. It only makes headline news when idiots decide they are a law unto themselves and use some sort of religious backing to support their actions.
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:48 pm
danthaal-
have been reading your posts and truer words have never been spoken. if I went to a islamic country would I be granted the same freedoms that I have in Australia?
fuck no!!!!!
I have to respect their laws, otherwise I could end up in some fucking third world shithole prison for the next 10 years for wearing a megadeth shirt. But here I have to hold my tongue as not to offend our "new australians???"
If they come to this country then they have NO right to force their ideals and beliefs on me!!!!!
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:33 pm
danthaal... LukeLord... I couldn't have said it any better... sure they can come to our country, under the fact that they obey our laws, they don't like it, they can fuck off back home, it's that simple
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Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:53 pm
Danfly wrote:
I would say religion is responsible for only a handful of problems not the main cause. It isn't responsible for murders, rapes, and the general decline in standards in our society. All religions whether it be Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever are openly against such acts. It only makes headline news when idiots decide they are a law unto themselves and use some sort of religious backing to support their actions.
I was refering to war alone.
danthaal wrote:
Why not?!
These pigs need to be stopped in their tracks. Either put before a firing squad or sent back.
I think it's a joke how they're muslim dogs are crying out now "oh now only muslim arabs will be targeted." Too fucking right!! I don't think a white european-Australian is going to commit holy war against the western world!!
The only good thing the muslims are doing is destroying zion. Send them all back to Palestine and leave them there I say.
I agree but they shouldnt televise and tell the press. The problem fuckers should be delt with. However making the shit public is gunna cause more problems. On 9-11 an arab background kid at my school was bashed for no reason. We dont need similar shit to happen.
danthaal wrote:
Culture has everything to do with blood. An Asian 'Australian citizen' will never be as Australian as I am, because I carry the Australian blood that Australia's very folk lores are built upon (English and Irish. My family name is an Irish one). It is my obligatory duty as a full blooded Australian to uphold the Australian culture, and Australian integrity. This a mere foreign 'Australian' citizen is uncapable of as they don't posses the Australian spirit. Their homage stays with their blood.
There is no such thing as a "full blooded" Australian. This country is made up of multiculturalism from the begining. Poms, Scots, Irish you name it we're all here in the begining. Are you telling me all Brits etc. are full blood Australians? Im all for patriotism and fighting for the good of ALL man but what you are suggesting is pig headed and untrue. You are suggesting that I'm a "half blood"... that you're more Australian then me? It's statements like these that fuel "patriotic racism".
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:27 am
The only thing I have to contribute to this thread is the fact that I lived in Darwin for 10 years. Darwin's a rather small place, and since it's known as the "gateway to Asia", there's a high variety of different cultures living there. Being the small place that it is, the people of these different cultures are mostly forced to mingle and accept one another for all their beleifs, faults and disagreements. As far as I can tell, the problem most people have with multiculturalism is the fact that in larger societies, particularly those where a large group from a particular culture has moved in, and instead of adapting to their new country, they cling closer to one another for fear of changing any aspect of their lives.
Now, this is just one bloke's view, but it's my opinion that multiculturalism works, but like most of you have said, not when the group in question refuse to accept their new surroundings and society.
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:54 am
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There is no such thing as a "full blooded" Australian. This country is made up of multiculturalism from the begining. Poms, Scots, Irish you name it we're all here in the begining. Are you telling me all Brits etc. are full blood Australians? Im all for patriotism and fighting for the good of ALL man but what you are suggesting is pig headed and untrue. You are suggesting that I'm a "half blood"... that you're more Australian then me? It's statements like these that fuel "patriotic racism".
And here is where you admit you don't have a clue.
Poms, Scotts, Irish....etc (as you said) have a common background and are racially close. These white westerners (as in western european) are racially close, and are who established the Australian culture. Therefore, to be a purebred Australian means to come from the founding bloodline - mainly English and Irish (on whom most of Australian folk lore is based upon).
If you are only 'half Australian' then that is your own problem, and will have to find something new to be fervent about. It's pretty typical though, normally when anyone has a beef with this ideaology it's because it doesn't include them, or undermines their apparent patriotism.
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:20 am
Décadent wrote:
The only thing I have to contribute to this thread is the fact that I lived in Darwin for 10 years. Darwin's a rather small place, and since it's known as the "gateway to Asia", there's a high variety of different cultures living there. Being the small place that it is, the people of these different cultures are mostly forced to mingle and accept one another for all their beleifs, faults and disagreements. As far as I can tell, the problem most people have with multiculturalism is the fact that in larger societies, particularly those where a large group from a particular culture has moved in, and instead of adapting to their new country, they cling closer to one another for fear of changing any aspect of their lives.
Now, this is just one bloke's view, but it's my opinion that multiculturalism works, but like most of you have said, not when the group in question refuse to accept their new surroundings and society.
Summed it up brilliantly
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Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:19 am
I totally agree with Dec. I get completely frustrated with inflexible cultures who choose to live in Australia, but live as though they were in their homeland. This is the passive genocide I am talking about. If you come here, you should, for the most part, adopt our culture. Spend 30 minutes down the South Western end of the city. See how many asian people interact with non-asian people .... it only ever seems to occur if they are co-workers, generally anyone in a suit.
Anyone in casual will stick to their "kind". What happens from here is that you essentially have a particular asian group (depending upon where they are from, and from what i've seen, asian races are more racist between their cultures than anyone else on the planet), living as if they were in Bejing, KL, Singapore or whatever .... this, shits me.
As far as who a "full blooeded" australian - i would view that as being UK descenedent people (i.e, Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh). No country has any sort of "racial purity" - how can you trace the source of man? To me, it just has to be the founding culture - and how that culture has adapted over time to become its own culture. But that is just my opinion.
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:16 pm
misfit wrote:
As far as who a "full blooeded" australian - i would view that as being UK descenedent people (i.e, Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh). No country has any sort of "racial purity" - how can you trace the source of man? To me, it just has to be the founding culture - and how that culture has adapted over time to become its own culture. But that is just my opinion.
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